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December 20, 2008

 (update: it’s late for this, but for what it’s worth)

So I’m inviting people to comment because it’s kind of blown over and I’m interested:

Forget your thoughts on the legitimacy of this poll in particular. Sara doesn’t consider herself feminist – makes sense in that she says she supports choice in childcare as much or more for the sake of the children. I don’t see that it is necessarily un-feminist to think of it that way in that I consider it pro-woman because I think it gives women more flexibility in accomplishing what they want for their life and their kid’s lives. Its a moot point because nobody knew Sara doesn’t think of herself as feminist until after she was on the poll. She didn’t want or ask to be taken off and the CBAers hadn’t thought of asking everyone nominated to the category and who their judge considered to be feminist if they thought so themselves. Since it’s not concretely definable – as many commenters and the judge have said – just because you’re a woman, it doesn’t make you a feminist, maybe that would make sense to do in another year.

I’m curious about the reasons the judge gave – like about “the stripper”, daycare, or freedom of speech. So this isn’t about rejecting the reasons she gave, it’s about what you would say about them if you were judging.

The CBA judge rejected one blogger as a feminist because she’s “a stripper”. Said fern hill in the comments at NorthernBC Dipper’s place: “‘One was a stripper. . . ‘ Where to begin?” I mentioned in the comments of my last post that Wonder Woman (believed to be “the stripper”) attracts readers in ways that you could definately say does not do much for women bloggers being taken seriously.

– Would you exclude stripper-bloggers from the feminist category? Does Wonder Woman reduce female bloggers to being more about how they look instead of how they write – making it difficult for women to be recognized on their merits? Maybe since the blogosphere in particular can be anonymous it doesn’t really affect other women bloggers… Or should it actually be points in her favour that she uses the female figure to influence her readers. After all a lot of male bloggers do that – arguably she is taking that turf back from them and denying them a monopoly on gaining readers in that way. Is it a concession to the skewed values of our culture that women who get ahead by posing in ways that men crave are now celebrated for it – or is it just dealing with the way things are? Doesn’t it contribute to body image pressure, to the point that some feminists now say they find burkas liberating? Damned, damned if I know. What’s your take?

– how would advocating free speech be feminist?
(and “advocating hate speech” then not be?)

– Daycare: What about what the CBA judge said, how that if a person advocates choice in childcare that can be included as feminist if they believe that it is good for women. ie: can there be disagreement on what is good for women and how far that goes. I think April Reign specified in the NorthernBCDipper thread that you have to support a direct subsidy of daycare spaces – not giving a tax credit to a family or single parent. What if someone thinks that a tax credit is more beneficial, and/or values the choice it offers?

– Abortion: Camille Paglia says she supports abortion even though she considers it privileging the rights of one group of individuals over another. Does a person who believes that an unborn baby/feotus is an individual have to support abortion to be feminist in your view? Is Paglia right to see Palin as a feminist despite opposing abortion or is she wrong to think supporting abortion is a benefit to women – do you think that unrestricted abortion hurts women? Does feminism to you require that only the benefit to women be considered?

Update… invitation links (some were sent by email): Because I really must know what the consensus is on stripper bloggers


Validating, yet oddly displacing

December 20, 2008

Apparently I think like someone with a minor in Women’s studies:

I felt the reason’s that Choice for Childcare was initially considered a feminist blog was because it pertained the issue of both choice for women, and for dealing with daycare (an issue that affects both single and married women). Unlike Small Dead Animals or some of the other conservative ‘feminist’ blogs, the arguments were based on economic principals under the assumption that these would benefit women, not something like religious reasons (that Suzanne provided for her arguments about abortion) or the simple fact that she was a woman. In fact, some of the ones eliminated were women, but appeared to me to be anti-feminist (a contradiction for the category they appeared in). One was a stripper, the others argued for free speech – which may have been a compelling argument for having them included in the feminist category if it was so heavily in favour of hate speech. Many didn’t seem to display an understanding of feminist logic. Choice for Childcare was using economic arguments for her position. In many of the classes I’ve attended, both in economic and women’s studies, this was the single most advancing portion of the feminist movement other than historical arguments themselves.

If feminism cannot include advocating for choice for women in daycare what would that say about feminism? (context)

Update… Specifically, in light of what’s quoted above, my feminist moment:

…having a rule like that on the books could make it harder for women to get jobs because with a choice between a woman and a man employers might tend to pick the one who can’t sue the company because they believe they’re being underpaid because of gender discrimination – especially if it’s a small company that’s gotten burned before.