So what do we do?

This whole debate about Gaza is dominated by wishful canards.

  • On the side that is critical of Israel’s attempts to stop attacks on its civilians – that violence never helps. Everything I’ve read about Hiroshima and Nagasaki suggests that dropping nuclear bombs on Japan in World War II saved several hundred thousand Japanese lives by shocking the Emperor into ending the war. Against the wishes of his generals.
  • That Israel is so perfect. Try some of the people, including Prime Ministers of Isreal, that Dr. Dawg quotes starting here in this thread. I’d like someone to explain their participation in the British-French attack on Egypt (justified though it might have been from the British-French perspective), or more than that, why during the Falklands War the British had to buy out Israeli ship-killing missles that they were trying to sell to Argentina. (yeah, tell me again that Israel is a British/American puppet or vice-versa. what, Israel is the #1 American aid recipient? Egypt is #2. btw, why did Palestine have western aid to lose before Hamas got elected?)

Israel will simply not allow it’s innocent civilians to be attacked when it exists for the purpose of creating a place where that can’t happen. And I don’t see how anyone can expect any different. Is there another country in the world for which “proportionality” would ever mean anything less than stopping rocket attacks on its cities? Israel faces calls for boycotts for the most humane response to terrorism that, in my judgement, the world has ever seen. Keep in mind that the majority of deaths in Gaza are of militants – a record that makes nations like Russia and America look Stone Age. Just why is that? It would be different if the rocket attacks were on occupying military targets or settlements only. But they’re not.

  • How does anyone expect the people that control Palestine to ever be people that recognize Israel’s right to exist when Hamas and Fatah are their “democratic” choices? A choice between different people with guns is democracy? You blame Palestinians for Hamas? Go ahead and start a peaceful party to run in the next election there. Go ahead… and tell me how long you live.
  • Why doesn’t anyone expect any better of Hamas? Are they capable of not trying to kill innocent people or not? They’re not stupid. They know that, as long as they don’t get the blame, two things help their cause of destroying Israel – which they won’t even pretend to not believe in: dead Jews and dead Palestinians.

This has been the worst one – that Israel is negotiable or the western countries that were responsible for the Holocaust should have been the ones to pay for it. Even St. Canada rejected Jewish immigrants until after Hitler’s crimes embarrassed the west into having a conscience. Jewish people lived in the Arab countries in the Middle East up until the creation of Israel when the new existence of an alien nation changed the semi-racist Muslim toleration of Jews with the added fear that they would tend to be on Israel’s side when the interests of Israel and Arabic/Persian countries were opposed.

The Muslim world was much safer and more tolerant overall for Jewish people over the last 2000 years. They made the Christian world look savage. Even if the western world was responsible for the holocaust that would just make the existence of Israel more neccessary – after the holocaust how can you expect Jewish people to have to trust the west for a safe place? On Israel’s 10th anniversary Abba Eban argued in this interview that Israel is all the land the Jewish people have and the Arabs have so much more. It’s long past debate on whether Israel was a good idea in the first place. Isreal is not negotiable.

  • That Israel will and should allow the “right of return”. About the same number of Jews were forced to leave their centuries old middle-eastern homelands as Palestinians fled based on fears and were pushed out of Israeli territory. The difference is that Israel took those people in, but the Arabic countries didn’t want Palestinians as anything more than a problem for their new enemy. How can Israel possibly deal with that when they had to build a wall to deal with the terrorists among the same people outside of their country – and when Arab countries including Egypt wall the Palestinians out too because the radicalized elements of their population threaten their governments? Vastly more people were displaced from India to Pakistan and vice versa in a very similar event when those countries were partitioned. But their children are not counted as refugees by the UN. In fact displaced Palestinians are the only people in the world the UN treats as permanent refugees, including their children. Why is that?

So what do we do? To protect itself from invasion Israel occupied land that only led to the creation of guerilla organizations that can’t be defeated so cleanly. Now the radicalized people have Lebanon by the throat and make it so no Arab country will be willing to absorb refugees. I fear it’s a completely intractable problem. Would a UN or other multilateral force be willing to create a big enough buffer zone that Hamas couldn’t hit Israeli cities? It would take a generation at least for this poisoned chalice to ease its composition. We can’t even handle Afghanistan right now – and why should Israel trust a UN buffer when the last one left at Egypt’s request before another attempt on Israel’s life?

The only thing I can think of is a small group of countries unafraid to face Hamas and Hezbollah’s wrath for standing between them and innocent Jews, and demanding a return to ’67 borders and an end to settlements from Israel. That would mean maybe nobody but America, Canada, Australia, and Great Britain deciding that peace means enough to us to pay in the kind of blood Ronald Reagan left Lebanon over, much less than what Belgium tried to prosecute Romeo Dallaire for when he tried to save lives in Rwanda.

But a non-international buffer group would probably fail anyway. You’d probably need a UN/multilateral force made up of volunteers. If the leaders of our nations care enough for Gaza to say their precious ceasefire homilies maybe they should start to think about something like that. Perhaps Hamas and Hezbollah are bloodied up enough themselves for them to pause their indoctrination in blood… if we make some breathing space.

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2 Responses to “So what do we do?”

  1. anarchore Says:

    Most of the dead are militants? Lot’s of militants are less than 2 feet tall, and still in diapers!

    And those Shazam, or Qassam rockets, launched after Israels starved Gaza, then Israel broke the latest cease fire(don’t hear about that do ya, in the Zionist media).

    But we must not forget the agony of Sderot, and support the Zionists that have taken over Canada.

    http://zionofascism.wordpress.com/2009/01/07/the-other-side/

  2. da wolfe Says:

    “Lot’s of militants are less than 2 feet tall, and still in diapers!”

    That’s why when I watch this video, I cry. But for every Israeli flag the protesters hold up I see a Hamas flag. This blood stains Hamas.

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